Right Walt, that's also why we get rotated strikes because the minters don't get one side of the die in the press tight and it moves while using. They also get CA's by not paying attention on how they are lining up the dies. I seem to remember talking to Shaun at the 4Q's and he was saying that they clean the dies every 20 to 25 strikes ao that's when they catch the mistakes and they usually just leave the messed up one in the mix. Jeff