dennis how can you say this about these 2 auctions ? from what i see if you study jackpot norm and dan sell the golden gates and the orleans as well on there. so bbm is NOT trying to take away there biz he is listing other better iteams i am NOT taking sides in this but you can see my point. on several auctions i have listed on jackpot i know for a fact! that norm has held back so i could sell my iteams that he had the same to sell variety is the key.