Come on! Norm is baiting us with something that is not in keeping with his character. Socrates was a great philosopher, but Norm doesn't even know him. And Socrates did not have a pleasent death. And I doubt that Socrates even proclaimed any wisdom regarding children. I have to wonder what this is even about. What is this about Norm?? You are a father and I don't believe a word you say. They are not your words anyway.