Mostly I just enjoy debating with Norman and he enjoys yanking my chain. (probably visa versa) After that I hope he takes this all as seriously as I do... it's just words.

We can argue and debate whether it's law, against rules and whatever else, but the thing most agree upon, is that shill bidding is unethical and is an atempt to defraud buyers.

If a seller claims it's to protect their values, or keep items from going too cheap, I'd suggest just do what most people do. Start at the least you would accept. Then hope for the best.

I agree and at this point, will "stick a fork in it"... done