Hi Rich, It was'nt my intent to "stir" up or "demean" any "Copper" collectors. I myself have collected many different things over the course of my life and Hey, if it makes you happy, collect it!!! The "One Thing" I hav'nt enjoyed collecting is "Ex-Wives" Ha Ha! I'm basically an easy going guy and can't get to worked up or bothered by any of these going-on's. My only intent was to inform as to why we have these "copper's" now in the machines. No hard feelings Rich. We all have a right to free speech...............Dick